can't get past 4 tuners even though set to 32 with EPG

[sdowney717]

Tried multiple times. I setup the channel scanning, it says 5 tuners exist but only 4 will be configured. clicked in EPG123 to set to 32 tuners. Ran channel scan again and it still says 5 tuners detected only 4 to be configured.
What am I doing wrong? Does windows 11 need restarting after tuner limit increase?

When I go check signal strength, Avermedia m780 is receiving signals

[sdowney717]

some pics

[sdowney717]

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Post #2 says can use a registry to make the change, anyone know how?

[garyan2]

That registry does nothing. That is how tunersalad tracked if it applied the patch or not.

You know the limit is increased already because you were able to setup 5 tuners instead of limited to 4. If you notice, that tuner wasn't even selectable during setup so WMC knows it exists but couldn't access it.

Do you have something running that takes ownership of the tuner preventing WMC from using it?

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[sdowney717]

Not that I can tell. The tuner is accessible to WMC maybe as it can test it for signal strength? I have no other TV program installed. I just upgraded to win11 from win10.
It has very good strength like the other 4 tuners.

WMC sees the tuner, just refuses to use it seems to me. I tried both auto setup and manual setup, I think one screen was from the manual setup where it was not selected. I dont even understand as there was no way not selected, it was selected with a check mark, but still refused to use it.

[sdowney717]

Is there a log file that mentions increasing the tuner limit when WMC starts up?
Odd that the 4 tuner limit seems to be hit as it is the 5th tuner refuses to be used which made me thing the tuner limit is not increased.

I also found the Tuner Salad program and ran that apart from EPG123 tuner setting

[garyan2]

No, it is not selected. Your Avermedia Tuner 1 is not shown during setup, but Tuner 2 is. You actually have 6 tuners but only 5 are accessible.

EDIT: You are successfully setting up 5 tuners, so you know the limit has been increased.

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[sdowney717]

Just did a 5 test recording, and it is currently recording 5 shows all at the same time
Then tried to change channel and WMC could not and said I had to stop recording one of them

[garyan2]

That's because you only setup 5 of the 6 tuners. Avermedia Tuner 1 was not setup.

[sdowney717]

But the conflict only shows 4 videos being recorded?
Why not 5?

[sdowney717]

That's because you only setup 5 of the 6 tuners. Avermedia Tuner 1 was not setup.

But isn't WMC recording 5 different shows with 5 different tuners all at the same time?

[sdowney717]

I clicked record 5 shows, click record, change channel click record etc... It is showing 5 shows recording which must be using 5 tuners

They will finish recording in 44 minutes, I think will let them run out the time and see if 5 shows really recorded.

[sdowney717]

yes, all 5 recorded simultaneously properly. So WMC is using the Avermedia tuner even though its message looked like it was not.
It is using all 5 tuners at the same time.

[garyan2]

Your Avermedia device has 2 tuners, but for whatever reason, WMC can not use the first one. It is able to use the second one.

So yes, it can use the Avermedia device, just not both tuners. That is what the message is telling you.

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[sdowney717]

Your Avermedia device has 2 tuners, but for whatever reason, WMC can not use the first one. It is able to use the second one.

So yes, it can use the Avermedia device, just not both tuners. That is what the message is telling you.

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Thanks EDITED, I think I comprehend a little more now...

The only double ATSC tuner is the Hauppauge 7164, AFAIK, the M780 is a single ATSC tuner, I don't know exactly why it calls it tuner 2, Years ago I may have had another m780 card called tuner 1. If you notice WMC puts a #1, #2 appended to the Hauppauge. OK, I see, it does mention a tuner 1 wont be configured which must be the NTSC tuner on the card....

It does not list a m780 tuner 1 that is configured in WMC list.
This shows a m780, it does have 2 coax inputs, one is ATSC, the other is NTSC. Maybe WMC is complaining the NTSC coax has no signal on it as I dont put a coax antenna line on it which would be useless today.

found a discusion on it https://www.overclockers.com/forums/thr ... 80.515376/

What is a 'combo' ATSC/NTSC Tuner?
There are two terms used in the ATSC/NTSC tuner market, while the definitions aren't 100% agreed upon, there is a general trend for their usage. The first term is 'hybrid' which is a rather simple design where the tuning module is a hybrid ATSC and NTSC tuner, this arrangement is an "either/or" setup: either you tune an analog channel (NTSC) or you tune a digital channel (ATSC). 'Hybrid' tuners are not desirable as they force you to choose one or the other, what is more these cards are often less compatible with MCE 2005 which expects to see a dedicated analog tuner alongside the digital tuner, in a hybrid design the analog tuner suddenly disappears/is locked from use when a digital TV channel is tuned.
The more desirable type of ATSC and NTSC tuner card is referred to as a 'combo' tuner. A 'combo' tuner is designed so that there are separate, dedicated, analog and digital tuners on the card, thus they can be used independently. What is more, these cards normally have hardware encoding for the analog TV portion, the same can't be said of 'hybrid' cards.